VBB 369 Sasha Cagen: Why Anger Is Critical To Women’s Health!

Christopher [00:00:01]:

Virgin Beauty Bitch Podcast, inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share unique life experiences without fear of being defiantly different. Your hosts, Christopher and Heather. Let's talk, shall we?

Christopher [00:00:20]:

This podcast is built around 3 simple words: Virgin, Beauty, Bitch. Words so normalized, we've developed a tolerance around the trauma and damage they can cause. But we also maintain blind spots for the potential these words represent. Bitch, in particular, has been turned into every woman's curse, when the 5 letters in that word literally spell out a woman's path to growth, an empowerment, if you choose to see it that way. And that's the purpose of the conversations we're having in Year of the Bitch. And today we welcome Life and Executive Coach, Author, and lover of a juicy life, Sasha Cagan. Welcome back to Virgin Beauty Bitch.

Sasha Cagen [00:01:11]:

Thank you, Christopher and Heather. Your mission could not be more on point for 2026.

Christopher [00:01:18]:

Thank you. I actually looked back in the archives to see when we last spoke. It was episode #215. We're on our way to 400 at the moment, and that was in 2022. In that conversation, you shared this about the bitch:

Sasha Cagen [00:01:33]:

I think that the one that I have the easiest access to reclaim is bitch, even though I have a very complicated relationship with it. And I guess that's because I'm really interested in the power of our anger. And how to use it in the best way. And I'm also very conscious, like lots of my clients are working with me to get over their people-pleasing. That's very, very common that a lot of my clients feel like they don't stand up for themselves and think about others before themselves in many situations. And the reason they don't is they're afraid of being called a bitch. So I know the power of that word. It's like, that's the thing that's blocking them. Fear of being perceived as a bitch.

Christopher [00:02:18]:

After 8 years of Heather and I listening too closely to women like you speak about the bitch in that way, a formula finally resolved into a truth: B.I.T.C.H. Betrayal, Identity, Trust, Change, and Healing, is a 5-step process to women's growth and self-empowerment. When I first shared these 5 principles with you, Sasha, what was your immediate reaction to that?

Sasha Cagen [00:02:44]:

The, the 5 principles of B.I.T.C.H. Which was T?

Christopher [00:02:50]:

Trust.

Sasha Cagen [00:02:51]:

Trust.

Christopher [00:02:52]:

Change.

Heather [00:02:53]:

Change.

Sasha Cagen [00:02:53]:

Healing.

Christopher [00:02:54]:

Healing. Yeah.

Sasha Cagen [00:02:56]:

What's my first reaction to it? Yeah, well, I love how you're unpacking it and making it a journey to reclaim one's power, I suppose, and one's wholeness. I feel really present to how what I said earlier, a few years ago, about women's anger speaks to the wholeness of who we are, and that there are so many forces that tell us to be nice and pleasing and don't allow us to express the wholeness of who we are. How, so often, and I hear that from my women clients about how they don't feel seen by people, and that creates a great sadness of feeling very alone. But that anger is such an interesting topic. I continue to be fascinated with it 4 years later. And I feel there's a vitality when we express our anger, a realness that needs to be part of our journey of healing, your last “H.” I mean, I think that the last word is maybe the most important one, the Healing piece.

Sasha Cagen [00:04:06]:

Because I work in the realm of the individual and the collective, and I think that we're all working, the people who are in my camp and tribe are working to heal themselves as individuals and with other people. So yeah, I like that healing is the last piece of it.

Heather [00:04:25]:

What came to mind to me when you were saying that is, you know, the first letter there being Betrayal, you know, and what you just said, I feel that's something a lot of women identify with is that Betrayal of not feeling the agency to go to anger, the agency to feel the anger, to express it without a lot of very real societal or relational, you know, consequences. So, you know, if you think about it within the context of Betrayal, how do you think that, you know, women have been instructed to not go into anger, and how have you helped your clients kind of move past that or through that?

Sasha Cagen [00:05:07]:

Well, I mean, I'm going to speak about myself personally with anger and then about my clients. So for me, anger has been a huge journey because I received feedback from people, let's say about 15 years ago, that I needed to learn how to express my anger. And personally, I found that very strange. I didn't really know what that was for because I thought I was taught by my mother that you're supposed to calm yourself down and think through what you have to say, and then come back to the person to express yourself, and that everything will go better in that case. And I think that there's real wisdom in that, but it's not the whole story because we get to be whole, and being whole includes anger. And I'm not really like a big fan of wisdom on Instagram. I actually see a lot of my clients get messed up by the personal growth and psychology stuff they're consuming on Instagram. But I saw some little snippets somewhere on social media that fascism will continue to exist if we don't get to express our anger.

Sasha Cagen [00:06:15]:

And I think that this is just true, that injustice, whether it's personal in the way that someone is treating us or societal, will continue unless we allow ourselves to be authentic. And there's a live wire of energy that runs through us in anger. And I have another kind of personal story in this that will be in my memoir, Wet. You said that I'm a fan of juicy living, and I think you said that because I still have this book that I'm completing called Wet. And there's a scene in that book where, when I was traveling in Brazil, I saw a woman go off on a man in a bar, and she was just screaming at him and screaming at him. And it looked like a betrayal. Like, it looked like something like she'd been cheated on or something like this. Very common stories in Rio de Janeiro where there's a lot of cheating.

Sasha Cagen [00:07:09]:

And I was just completely riveted by her because, yeah, there you have a woman who is expressing herself, which is more common, I would say, in Brazil and Argentina, countries where I've spent a lot of time, versus the US or Canada, where we're taught to be more put together or pleasing, or like, there's, there's just a quality of expressiveness in those cultures that, that I admire. And there's a vitality in that. And so to be honest and to be whole, I think we have to learn how to express our anger. It doesn't mean that, like, anger can also hurt us if we stay in it. I don't think that anger is something that you want to stew in for a long time or forever, but it's something that needs to be moved through. So when I'm working with clients around this, I literally suggest ways they can express their anger, which could be angry journaling. You could write F-U, F-U, F-U, F-U on the page many, many times. You could shadowbox.

Sasha Cagen [00:08:12]:

I mean, we have to find ways to express it, and maybe it's with another person present, or maybe it's totally on your own. But there is a realness to that that has to be felt. And if it's just ignored, I think it sours, and it turns into chronic pain. I mean, there's a ton of work that has come out in the last 40 years, starting with John Sarno and his work around this, that many other people have understood that basically unexpressed rage turns into self-attack turns into chronic tension in the body, turns into pain. So it's multidimensional that I think we need to express our anger.

Heather [00:08:59]:

I really appreciate that you said put together, you know, because I think that that is really like this, this deeper-seated piece that women feel that we're more put together if we don't express our anger. If we don't allow our emotions to get the best of us, then when you're more “put together.” And I think that that deep-seated, you know, probably comes from women being seen as too emotional and, you know, easily swayed because their emotions can get the best of them, ties into our menstruation, ties into our cycles, all of the different things that we've seen over the different eras. And so, you know, to talk about how each emotion is an expression of your wholeness and not something that, as you've already articulated, to stay stuck in, but, you know, to, to really find those means to express it because you know that it's, it's not only necessary, but a healthy way in order to understand injustice or what isn't working for you, understand your authentic self a bit better. So I appreciate that, exactly what you said there, because I think that that's a key piece of what we need to shed if we're going to be able to step into our anger in a way that's meaningful for our development.

Sasha Cagen [00:10:18]:

Yeah, and I think that the distinction about you don't stay stuck in this forever is important. And a lot of the strategies I share with my clients are about how to express your emotions, even with yourself, and journaling, and then move through them. Because I can say for myself too, as a person who experiences anger, one of the benefits that I experience because of making personal growth and healing a focus of my life is that I can move through things faster and feel more empowered because I carve out the time and space to be in my rage. And I also go to Buddhist meditation Centers where they teach that anger only hurts you. And I get that, and I get that teaching, but I think they're skipping over something. And in that teaching, there's a part that's about acceptance, and I hold that expression is part of the acceptance. That we get to be angry.

Sasha Cagen [00:11:17]:

And for sure, men get to be angry. Like, that is, you know, often valorized. And like, a lot of women politicians, I think, are seen as inauthentic and not liked because they don't get to be their authentic selves. So when we get to be ourselves, people like us more.

Christopher [00:11:31]:

We want you, we want women to be the manicured garden. The male garden can be wild, crazy, and out of control. But we have conditioned women because of a word that we, Heather and I, revere, right? Feminine. And when you talk about cultures, in some cultures, that wildness is revered as feminine. In our culture, it is suppressed. It is completely trimmed and hedged and cut so, so. You have to be exactly this way in order to be feminine. And to stray outside of that gets you a bad reputation.

Sasha Cagen [00:12:13]:

Yeah, even something like painting your nails. Like, I had a client talking with me recently about the cost of going to many weddings when she herself is not getting married and is tired of being a bridesmaid, basically. So she says to me, well, you know how it is as a woman, you have to pay for your nails. I don't pay for my nails. Like, actually, like, I would consider what you said manicured. Like, all these expectations that have actually grown a lot in the last 30 years about what women are supposed to do to maintain themselves, to be attractive. Like, come on. Like, it's a choice.

Sasha Cagen [00:12:47]:

If you want to paint your nails, great, but it's not an obligation. That's just a very simple thing that I think we're kind of sleepwalking. And that a lot of like with the rise of pornography, with this backlash that we're living now, there are so many standards that women are being held to and spending money on, and you really don't have to do it.

Christopher:

And it won't stop. I mean.

Sasha Cagen:

It stops because we question it.

Heather [00:13:15]:

I think that that's a good piece to think on when it comes to the eye that really, you know, there's been a lot of instruction for a manicured identity for women. You know, whether it's the painting of the nails, whether it's this is the box of what feminine is, and this is how the patriarchy enjoys the feminine. So this is the box that you need to stay in. I mean, obviously, so happy that so many women and gender diverse people have just taken that and thrown it in the trash and said, you know, very much like what you're saying, Sasha, right? That I'm going to question it. I'm going to do something different. I'm really going to start to tune out the noise and tune into my own internal rhythm and what it's saying. But I so love I love like the work that you've done in talking about confidence and pussy-walking. And so, you know, for this show, in case people haven't heard you know, you before, can you talk to us a little bit about pussy-walking? And because I think that there's something in that for every person, especially women, when it comes to trying to tune out the noise and understand their own actual, authentic self.

Sasha Cagen [00:14:22]:

I love the question and the setup, and I really want to talk about pussy-walking a lot right now with what we're seeing in the world with sexual exploitation of women, children, men, and boys. I'm going to be inclusive because I think a lot of people's sexuality is being exploited in the world right now. And my work is about opening the door to how everyone, regardless of their gender, can tap into the power they have inside of them to feel more vital and confident. So pussy-walking, I'm aiming it at women first, but men can sort of adapt what I'm saying for themselves. And I'm going to explain why the word pussy and what it is that I'm talking about. So I'm using the word pussy as an act of reclamation, and I totally understand that it's a provoking word for people in the US. I don't know how it is in Canada. When I share, I'm in Argentina right now, when I share pussy-walking with people in Buenos Aires, they're like, pussy-walking? Like, they have no resistance to it whatsoever.

Sasha Cagen [00:15:21]:

But in our culture, it's like, I was just listening to an interview from like the mainstream media where they were like, can we use the “P” word that was described in the Epstein emails? Like they're afraid to use it. So boom, whether you like it or not, I'm using the word pussy and I'm doing it intentionally to reclaim women's bodies from the inside out. I happen to like that word more than the “C” word, and I think it can be a fun word. And so basically for the last 15 years, I've been on this study about female sexual energy outside of sex, with the knowledge that the clitoris is not just a little button, but is an internal organ with an enormous amount of nerve endings that can be awakened for pleasure. And I'm not talking about the kind of pleasure that's like big “O” in When Harry Met Sally at the table, faking orgasm kind of thing. I'm talking about something like a subtle purring pleasure energy. And now I've had the experience of teaching this to hundreds of women over the last 12 years.

Sasha Cagen [00:16:26]:

So I've been on a panel with an ObGyn who teaches at Harvard Medical School, and she looks at me and tells me I'm teaching her things that she didn't learn in medical school because I have the experience of sharing this with women. So, you know, if this were 12 years ago, I wouldn't be so confident in telling you all of this, but now I have a lot of experience. It's for everyone, no matter what your age, postmenopausal, perimenopausal, or premenopausal. There is this internal organ that we have, that when we become aware of it inside of us, and I teach it through breath and visualization, simply bringing awareness to the pelvic zone and the internal clitoris, can awaken this energy of pleasure. And my philosophy is that pleasure fuels confidence, and it's really super common sense that when you feel bad and when you have more pain, you don't feel good. You're less vocal, and you're just less likely to stand up for yourself. But what, what happens when women learn to pussy-walk is they activate this pussy energy. And then I teach them how to distribute that energy throughout their bodies.

Sasha Cagen [00:17:33]:

So basically it affects your, your pelvic zone, but it affects your whole body. It affects how you walk. It affects how people perceive you, but mostly it's about how you feel yourself. And what's been really cool in my coaching practice lately is that I'm attracting a lot of women leaders who are in politics and business, like literally in very important conversations that are happening in the world around democracy, around AI, around the media. And women, even though they are at very high levels of power, often lack confidence. Like, this is something really astonishing. Like, you might be surprised that women who have achieved so much, they talk about imposter complex, they talk about not wanting to talk in the media, you know, all of these things.

Sasha Cagen [00:18:26]:

And so literally with these women, I'm talking to them about their pussy energy and how to activate it before they speak, you know, give a talk, talk in the media, talk in legal settings. So I'm just loving it. Like, I just feel, and a lot of those young women are, they're open to the pussy energy. I have European clients who send me like pussy beer from Austria, where I've carved out a really good niche for myself, I have to say, because, and I like the word is provoking, but also I have received compliments from women who have been happy that I've been able to say that word in a tech conference, for example, to a room full of men. And I guess the reason I really want to talk about this now is because of what we're seeing in the Epstein files, that we're seeing this world that's being revealed. We're kind of living another MeToo movement, moment, when we're seeing that these people who are at very high levels of decision-making in our culture do not think twice about networking with someone who's already been convicted of child sex trafficking. And what happens to that zone of our body when we don't feel like we own it and like it's for other people? It goes dead because of shame, because it's like, I mean, women, there's a lot of layers to this.

Sasha Cagen [00:19:50]:

Many women are in relationships, and it feels like they're there to have sex with their partners, and it's not for them. That they don't own their bodies. And so my work is really about owning your body for yourself. Owning your pleasure for yourself, and all the ways that can serve you in the world outside of the bedroom.

Christopher [00:20:09]:

I think for us, the word bitch is that reclaiming of one's own power. It is about disassociating this narrative that you're here to please others and yourself last. So I believe these two things are synchronous. They work together. Reclaiming that strength of who you are, whether the world wants to call you a bitch or not. It's you, it's yours. And what you are alluding to also is focusing on your own power, another power that can bring you further into who you are, into this big world of ours.

Sasha Cagen [00:20:51]:

Yes, 100, a million percent. And I'll share a little personal story that's really fresh from my own life, that I just went out with someone for a few weeks, and that I don't like the way he acted. And in my history, because I'm a life coach and I'm a really good listener, I tend to listen to people and their problems in a way that can be kind of suffocating for me. And so basically, while I've been going through this process of cutting him out of my life, I've been activating my pussy energy and the pleasure in my body. I'm like, I just don't even see you. I don't care. And like, am I being a bitch? Because I'm caring about my own emotional well-being more than yours. Well, yeah, maybe, but it's my priority.

Sasha Cagen [00:21:33]:

And that has been feeling really good for me. And I've been so present to how creating pleasure in my body helps me to set limits and say, me, not you.

Heather [00:21:43]:

I think that's such a beautiful way to tie those two things together. Because, you know, when I think about confidence and how it's tied to sexuality, and even going as deep as the word pussy and how activating it can be for people, or it can be used, you know, in a derogatory way when we're talking about somebody being like weak or a pushover, etc., etc. Like, it's again, like the word bitch, been so demonized in some ways, or undermined or undervalued, or just made to be a context that serves, you know, a certain agenda, let's say. But I think about how freely, you know, male sexuality is explored, expressed, expected, Right? And the confidence that comes along with knowing, like that, they deserve, like feeling, and internalizing that they deserve to have that kind of gratification. And to how many women do not feel that same thing because of sometimes culture, sometimes religion, sometimes just how our society treats women and our bodies, that it's for someone else rather than ourselves. And so, you know, even while you were speaking and you were talking about the pussy energy and zoning in on that internal organ, like I went there. You know, TMI for our talk right now, maybe.

Sasha Cagen [00:23:00]:

But not at all.

Heather [00:23:05]:

And there is something, you know, for you to say it's like a purring pleasure energy, I think that again is something that's so powerful because there's so much focus on the big O, or like, you know, my body's wrong because I can't get there as fast as my male partner, if you are dating a male partner, etc. So to allow yourself just the pleasure of it being a light purr and really just feeling that energy source that's in you. It is like, I feel like one of our biggest energy confidence sources that has been untapped by women. So to hear you talk about it and then tie it to, I'm feeling strong in my boundaries, I'm feeling strong in what I will or will not accept, and maybe that makes me a bitch, but the pussy is guiding the way. Um, that's just so cool.

Sasha Cagen [00:23:55]:

The pussy may guide you to say yes to someone, but the pussy may also give you the energy to be okay in yourself, to shut something out that is not serving you, and keep your attention on yourself and other people who are good for you. And I do, I absolutely love what you just said, and I, I would be remiss if I didn't also note the word cocky means confident. And this is always a point that opens people's eyes, like, huh, how come cocky is strong and confident and swagger, and we don't really hear anything like that for women? And pussy is supposed to mean weak. So this is one of the points that, that I always like to throw out there just as something to sit with.

Heather [00:24:39]:

I do want to do a shout-out also for the book called Pussy: A Reclamation, a New York Times bestseller. That book changed my life. And, you know, that Regina, that is the creator of the School for Womanly Arts in New York City, you know, explores a lot of what you said. But I love your own passion and your own direction with it. I mean, there's really a huge, wide world of people to be doing this amazing work, but, you know, if people haven't read that book, I highly recommend it. That one was a true game-changer for me.

Sasha Cagen [00:25:18]:

Yeah, she and I have some similar teachers, and, you know, I've been to one of her live events, and I respect her message, and I have my own pussy walking path.

Heather [00:25:30]:

Yes, absolutely. That is so cool.

Christopher [00:25:34]:

So you started this conversation off with the last of the words in our process, which is Healing. And for us, healing has no beginning, has no end. It goes through every one of those steps. You're always healing. Every experience you have is an opportunity to heal. So it's not an end. How do you, how do you present healing in your work?

Sasha Cagen [00:25:58]:

I would say that I agree that there's no endpoint, because in the end, every experience that we have. One of my clients, who's making a joke out of it, says, “F Growth Opportunity,” you know, so you could, you could feel that way about it, but I think that ultimately, yeah, we're, we're on this planet and life is a gift and everything that we experience is a chance to learn from. I think one of the messages that I'm on this planet to share, and it is a strong message in my memoir, Wet, is that healing happens in many different ways along many different paths. So there's an inflection point in the story that I'm telling where I could have chosen to stay in California working with a therapist who was helping me look at a secret of childhood sexual abuse that I hadn't talked about and with really anyone. And I was about 38 at that time, and that was a very important moment. But at the same time, I felt called to return to Buenos Aires to re-immerse myself in the culture of tango. And I think that once you're on the healing path, sometimes you have these intuitions and callings, and someone will ask you, like, why are you doing that? And you might not really know because there's just something that's calling you forward. I think it's a completely valid answer to not know, but if you feel something is good for you and then it's going to help you heal, it will.

Sasha Cagen [00:27:25]:

And one of the things I really liked about that therapist, and she sort of informed who I am as a coach, like a lot of my clients sort of see me kind of like a therapist more than a coach, because it's not just check, check, check, get things done. It's more like the whole being of a person. One thing I really liked about her was a sentence she said to me, there are many ways to heal. And this, I think, is just very, very important that we respect the many ways that there are to heal. I have a big focus on the body; tango, for me, has been an incredible path of healing because it's a relational dance. It's how to show up with someone else and be connected and yet autonomous and in your power. And I don't think I would have gotten there alone just by talking to someone and sitting on a couch.

Sasha Cagen [00:28:18]:

I think I would have remained, really, not in a good place, and I needed to move. I needed glamour. I needed sexiness. I needed a different culture. I needed community. And, you know, kudos to me that I listened to myself and did that. And it was scary, you know. But I think that healing— yeah, healing can call us forward on adventures, and it's all valid.

Sasha Cagen [00:28:41]:

And a lot of people will say like, oh, don't leave your problems, don’t try to leave your problems behind by going traveling, and you need to do therapy. Well, who are you to say what that person needs? You know, that healing happens in all kinds of different ways. Therapy obviously is great too, but I, I think that's just, I just want to value that. And even like, I help people marry themselves. You can do a ritual to heal yourself. There's like, healing can be fun. It's not just, uh, sitting in the corner dirty dancing, baby. Just, you know, I don't just have to sit in the corner in therapy. I can also go do whatever I want.

Christopher [00:29:21]:

And I think that's why we are having these conversations. Inevitably, it is about healing. It's about hearing experiences from women like you that resonate and spur on healing in someone else. So we're really appreciative of someone like you having the courage to share and open your life and your experiences up so others can hear and hopefully connect themselves to hopefully moving forward in their life.

Sasha Cagen [00:29:51]:

Absolutely. And the other thing I would say about healing is, one, it's possible. Like, that's the thing I think we all have to remember. It is possible. You can change it. That's just a basic point. And it's good to get support. And having spent a quarter, maybe like a really high percentage of my life in Argentina now, where therapy is totally normalized, I've got a completely different perspective than the US, that we're all human, we all need help.

Sasha Cagen [00:30:18]:

There's nothing shameful about reaching out for help. Get it in all the different ways you can and, you know, use it. No, I don't think people heal alone. Like, we need other people to heal.

Heather [00:30:31]:

Just to kind of bring home what you had said earlier and how it ties to healing, for me at least, is you know, through movement, through the somatic work, through that visualization, and feeling your body. And ultimately, you know, learning how to trust your body as well as your gut and your instincts like that is such, that's been a huge piece of my individual healing journey. But I totally agree that there is not just one way to do it. I had somebody that I really love and appreciate and respect who said to me, and it's funny how one line can really stick with you for so long, that there's many arts to healing. And I feel like dance, sometimes talk therapy, sometimes it's rituals, like you said, learning how to love or marry yourself, that there are really so many ways to go through it. And that was, that was releasing to hear and to feel it.

Sasha Cagen [00:31:28]:

I totally agree. It's very important. And also the point, I think you made it, Christopher, that it's an ongoing journey, it never ends. And that's great, actually.

Christopher [00:31:38]:

It is. That's the magic, right? It's not like a bus stop, or a train stop, or an airport. Okay, I'm here. It's done.

Heather [00:31:51]:

I mean, sometimes I feel like that would be nice if some of the trauma could just go away.

Christopher [00:31:56]:

Well, you could stay.

Heather [00:31:57]:

You could just like be healed.

Christopher [00:31:58]:

You could stay at the airport overnight. Okay. But sooner or later, they're going to move you along.

Heather [00:32:05]:

I do think sometimes you kind of like reach a new understanding of yourself, and it's almost like cyclical that you've like reached that, and maybe there is a step back and a step forward again, but with deeper understanding, you kind of, I feel like I have released certain things that I wasn't able to in the past, and sometimes that makes me feel like, I don't know, even though it's an ongoing journey that continues to change, that there were certain goalposts that I feel like I did get through. And there's something looking back at that that actually is important. I think that it’s, I don't feel like I'm stuck in the same parts of my healing journey.

Sasha Cagen [00:32:43]:

I would say the same, too. And I'm living a really interesting moment in my life right now because I'm in Buenos Aires right now, and I've been coming here for 15 years, and I don't know if it's healing or confidence, but I feel more confident than I ever have like even just interacting with Argentines. Like, I can participate in their culture, and I introduce myself very easily. It's almost like people always thought I was confident, but I didn't feel it myself. And now I'm like, oh, now I'm really confident. And like my dancing is better than ever. I found the best tango teacher ever. And it's joyous.

Sasha Cagen [00:33:18]:

And so, but I think there's also something important about recognizing I can still spiral. Like in tango, we go to dance at a Milonga. I can still spiral and feel rejected if nobody wants to dance with me. That's okay. Like, it still can happen. But overall, my confidence level has increased, which I think is a little similar to what you're saying. Like, forward progress, there's backward progress, but overall, the direction is quite good.

Christopher [00:33:43]:

So you are, I just say you have a niche. Do you want to express what that is and who it is you want to attract to the work you're doing?

Sasha Cagen [00:33:54]:

So I wind up working with all kinds of people because people are attracted to me. And if I feel a human connection and I think I can help them, I'll work with them. But right now, what I'm really loving is these women leaders, whether they're individual contributors, or they're founders of a company, or they're politicians who are coming to me wanting to work out personal and professional issues. And I just love working with them because we interject this pussy energy and this body focus, and then they become more empowered and clear in their mission, and it has this kind of multiplier effect. And so I just love it because there's an entrepreneur in me, too. So I love to be kind of on the back end. Like, I'm going to be giving a pussy-walking workshop to the wait staff at a restaurant owner's restaurants in Rhode Island, where I'm from. And it's through working with a business owner that we can see how learning pussy walking would benefit her staff.

Sasha Cagen [00:34:53]:

And then be able to have a conversation about confidence and how to deal with sexual harassment. And it's just fun. So, I think like women business owners and political leaders is a real sweet spot for me right now because I care about the collective. And through working with those women, we get to have a great impact.

Christopher [00:35:14]:

How do people get in touch with you if they are intrigued?

Sasha Cagen [00:35:19]:

So they should go to my website, Sasha Cagan, S-A-S-H-A-C-A-G-E-N. If you want to reach out, you know, there are multiple ways of doing that. And they should get on my newsletter because I prefer the newsletter to social media because I feel more empowered through that than playing to an algorithm that really disempowers us. And then also, you should definitely go to the Pussy-Walking page on the website and sign up for that so you can get instructional videos on how to activate your pussy energy.

Christopher [00:35:55]:

I love it. I love it. Sasha, it's been really, really fun having you back. It's been a long time, but it seems like no time has passed in the kind of growth and conversations that we are able to share with one another. So thank you for participating and being so yourself with us. We appreciate that.

Sasha Cagen [00:36:21]:

Thank you for being interested and also being so yourselves.

Heather [00:36:24]:

I feel like it's been sensual and sexy and healing to be here with you. So it's so cool to see you again after a little bit of time has passed and to reconnect because it really is juicy and wet with you.

Sasha Cagen [00:36:41]:

It is not TMI at all that you tell me that, while I'm talking about the purring pleasure of pussy energy, that you feel that. That is exactly what I hope for every listener: that they begin to feel it themselves.

Heather [00:36:53]:

Do it, ladies. All right, so listeners out there, if you're feeling it, let us know because we want to hear it.

Christopher [00:36:59]:

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