VBB 337 Dr. Jody Carrington And The One Thing Humans Can Never Automate!

Intro [00:00:01]:

Virgin Beauty Podcast: Inspiring women to overcome social stereotypes and share unique life experiences without fear of being defiantly different. Your hosts, Christopher and Heather. 

Let's talk, shall we?

Christopher [00:00:20]:

Heather and I are blessed. Our guest day has been on our wish list for many, many years. She's one of those rare individuals who can take you down the rabbit hole of really deep thought, yet all the while keep you giggling with the joy of discovering new things about life and about yourself. She's a clinical psychologist, author, podcaster, and a sought-after global speaker, renowned for her ability to help humans reconnect to their good. But we welcome Dr. Jody Carrington to Virgin Beauty.

Jody Carrington [00:00:57]:

This is a dream. Virgin Beauty Bitches! This is so good. Oh, my gosh. Like, come on, we met. So you're right. This has just been divine intervention to get this pulled together because it's been years.

Christopher [00:01:10]:

Absolutely. The thread never left us. Now, Jody, it seems like, okay, a lifetime ago, but it seems now like the pandemic forced us to really appreciate the necessity of human connection. But what, five short years later, the world is on fire again with global conflict, ancient hates, and threats of war. How can people hold faith in connection when dissonance and this conflict seem to be the human trait that, media at least, encourages as our default?

Jody Carrington [00:01:42]:

Yeah, it's really the thing that we're all up against the most in this human race. And I think what is fascinating in times of overwhelm, which is really marked, you know, if we take the pandemic, I think it sort of expedited the process significantly, but we were well on our way prior to the pandemic in this sort of, I think, loneliness epidemic. The introduction of the smartphone was in 2006. Introduction of the forward-facing camera in 2009, and the technological advances that we are a part of in this generation are beautiful to witness in so many ways, but the hard part about us as humans is that there are two rules, okay? The first rule is we're neurobiologically wired for connection, okay? So whoever made us, regardless of age, race, religion, socioeconomic status, or gender identity, we all start in exactly the same place; we all end in exactly the same spot. Race is a social construct. So our DNA on this globe, in this human race, is 99.98% the same.

Jody Carrington [00:02:39]:

If you disconnect from an infant, they die. So what we will never automate is relationships. So I don't care how much we get good at the AI, we are neurobiologically wired for connection. You disconnect from an infant, they die. That will not, we will never, ever, and from a therapeutic perspective, as you can get as many bots as you want, there is a synergistic change that happens when two people are in the same room that you will never be able to automate because at a cellular level, we will not be able to recreate that, okay? Ever! So, if you want your business to be successful or your family system to be better, you'll understand that the only AI that's going to matter in this next generation is Authentic Interact.

Jody Carrington [00:03:14]:

So that's rule number one. We are neurobiologically wired for connection. Now, as a curveball, whoever created us, humans, sort of like shook it up a little and said, the second rule is, despite the fact that I've made you neurobiologically wired for connection, the hardest thing you will ever do is look at each other. So we are up against it in this place where we need each other desperately. Those of us who are the most well and the healthiest have community, have connection, are brave enough to continue to look into the eyes of the people we love the most, even when, and especially when it's the hardest. Yet the hardest thing we will ever do is look at each other. And we've never had so many opportunities to look away.

Jody Carrington [00:03:55]:

And when we stop looking, we stop seeing. And when the world continues to evoke uncertainty, fear, and no end in sight, what happens is our gaze goes inward, not to each other. And the only way that we are going to survive any conflict is if you have to do it in relationships and in connection. So the divisiveness that is the overwhelm of this world, we're sort of in this perfect spot right now to see. You know, people ask me all the time as a psychologist, are we in a mental health crisis? Because we are killing ourselves faster for the first time in history from emotional illness than we are dying from physical illness for the first time in history. Yet we've never had this much access to resources or research. And so levels of anxiety and depression, we've never seen this high, particularly in our country, in North America, suicide, ridiculous rates.

Jody Carrington [00:04:49]:

And so what's fascinating to me is I actually think we're focusing on the wrong thing. So, I don't think we're in a mental health crisis. I think we're in an understandable human response to a loneliness epidemic. Because, remember, we are neurobiologically wired for connection. And this stat gets me every time. So our great grandparents, it's estimated that our great grandparents looked at their children 72% more of the time than we look at our babies today. So if this is what people are coming to the table with, this is what our educators, our police officers, our leaders are experiencing is a paucity of connection. Our ability to lead well has not been thwarted.

Jody Carrington [00:05:22]:

We're all still beautiful humans. Our access to the best parts of ourselves has been significantly compromised by this massive influx, which is massive business, by the way. The great big four, if I were to just take them - Uber, Amazon, Meta, and Apple. They own an 8.49 trillion dollar market share capitalization, which means the idea to automate the land to get you, to get things delivered on Amazon and Uber Eats, and to stay home from people because you're inundated all day long by your notifications on your Apple and by your email. Just stay home, okay? We're like, yes, please, I hate people. I still want to be invited. I just want to throat-punch everybody, right? Like it's all of us, you know what I mean? And we should be tired because we're like this.

Jody Carrington [00:06:14]:

We got shots of cortisol happening every day that our parents never did. Your dad, our dads, came through the door at the end of the day, and nobody could get them. Can you imagine that? Now, we don't even pee. And, we have, in the morning, we haven't even peed yet, and we've checked our email, we've taken a rip around all of our social media. We know exactly which bitches are getting family pictures. Who's worked out who got the calling you, you know, and you haven't even peed.

Jody Carrington [00:06:39]:

And then the team snap bitches because I have three kids who are connected to my watch, and so they're all buzzing me and everything because I didn't bring my kid the right shirt and shit and like that. They have so much access to us before we even pee that we're just not designed for this much noise.

Jody Carrington [00:07:00]:

I don't even know what your question is.

Christopher [00:07:01]:

Who, in the end, does this serve? I mean it sounds like the imminent battle of nature versus nurture. So nature has prepared us for connection. Nurture seems to be pulling us apart and separating us.

Jody Carrington [00:07:17]:

Yeah, I mean, I think, I don't know if it's nurture particularly. I think it's like the world, the access to the expediting process. We come from a generation when the world was much slower, that really emphasized hustle, that really didn't want us to sleep. Right. And so I remember this very much from my dad. I just lost my dad to dementia. We buried him two months ago. And.

Christopher [00:07:21]:

So sorry.

Jody Carrington [00:07:41]:

Thank you. And I. And I really, I. I loved so much about this guy because he, I think, created my work ethic. And, you know, he was super successful. He came from zero and just built this beautiful empire that my brother and I sort of got a front-row seat to watching how you make a business work and how everything was based on a handshake. And, you know, he was such a cool dude, and he was so committed to, like, working so hard and playing so hard. And I remember him ever, you know, coming up the stairs in our house, like, on the farm, and, like, I would jump off the couch so fast if I could hear him, because I knew there was gonna be like, what are you doing? Like, you're lazy.

Jody Carrington [00:08:22]:

And the truth is, like, that was true because you only had eight to 10 hours in a day to get shit done. Because that's when you could have access to people. And then, you know, you had to make hay while the sun rose or shone. And that, in one generation, has changed so much. And so, what we don't have as much time for now is rest. But we're filled with these bodies that suggest if you slow down, particularly anybody who's experienced marginalization in any capacity, you know, has to work that much harder. So the idea is now you don't. You don't rest.

Jody Carrington [00:09:00]:

And so what we're seeing is a loneliness epidemic and burnout at higher levels than ever. One in two would identify as being burned out across industries and organizations in our country right now, and that is significant.

Heather [00:09:11]:

I really resonate with what you're saying when it comes to the hustle culture because it feels like my generation of millennials, hustle culture, and you know, women getting ahead. The only way that women can get ahead is if they're in the top 40, under-40 kind of deal. And I love that, actually, with the Next Generation, with the Zoomers, they're denouncing hustle culture. They're like, you know what? I actually do need to have a rest. How much they're doing it is probably questionable because they're all doing dance moves on TikTok and making money off of it, which, hey, all the power to you. If you're having fun while making some money, go for it, girl. But I want to bring it back to, like, where you started, which was, you know, all of these kind of major conglomerates that are emerging almost as world leaders with those big four in the Tech world, you know, purposefully driving people apart and knowing that part of, like our human condition, you know, that we do all face different levels of insecurity or feeling dismissed, gaslit, shamed.

Heather [00:10:13]:

So, I'm just so interested in your work when it comes to reframing some of these deeper, insecure questions that especially women ask themselves, but all genders ask themselves at different points of their day, or their life, or their month. You know, you've really shifted things from that internal voicing of what's wrong with you? To what happened to you? And so I was wondering if you could unpack that for our listeners, because I think that's really a special thing.

Jody Carrington [00:10:42]:

Yeah, I love that. So, I think I told you this, but I worked at the Alberta Children's Hospital for 10 years, so that was my first job when I became a psychologist. So the hitters, the kickers, the biters, those are my babies. I love them, right? And what we were taught in any healthcare profession, whether or not we're really trying to sort of figure out how to be helpful, is to ask that question: what's wrong here? And Bruce Perry and Oprah Winfrey wrote a book of the same title, where they switched the focus from not what is wrong here? Because it's like they got the adhd. This one's a narcissist. What's going on with this person? Like we're trying to label all the things, but the question then becomes, what happened here? And when you switch that perspective to what is wrong with this one, to what happened with this one, it evokes in us a human, connected, undeniable human connection, this thing called empathy. And when I start to sort of understand what is going on with what happened to you, it allows, it gives, it gives me some permission to take a step back and get back to my good. Because when I'm overwhelmed, and exhausted, and dysregulated, I lose access to the best parts of myself.

Jody Carrington [00:11:46]:

Not my ability to be great, but my access to it. And so if we think about the fact that we're in one generation, we live in bigger houses, far more single-parent households, fewer siblings, less access to grandparents or grandparent-like figures. Many of us are working at least part-time from home. The capacity to be regulated in the community has been significantly compromised, which means access to the best parts of ourselves has also been compromised. Because the only way you get back there is when people walk you through it. And you know, it always comes back to me for this realm, this Ram Dass quote, I'm sure I shared it with you when we saw each other years ago. He said this: We are all just here walking each other home.

Jody Carrington [00:12:30]:

That is the impetus to everything that I do when I get the opportunity to speak to a community or at the United Nations, or you know, all of these opportunities I've seen over the last 10 years have been so awesome. And it never changes you. Nobody gets out of here alive. There's no need to get to the end fast, right? Why would you want to do that? We're just walking each other home. Give me the best you can with what you've got on any given day, and you're not that good. You will not single-handedly be able to undo racism. You are not good enough to just make your babies be the best they can be. All I need you to do is give me the next best right.

Jody Carrington [00:13:10]:

And when we give ourselves permission, you know, to say, and I say this all the time right now, this is the title of the next book I think is, You're Not That Good. And it's not a criticism; it's a liberation. Because we really need to come back here. Which is the most and longest-standing data? Okay. Across every religion, across every spiritual practice, across every ancient teaching that has ever been a part of the generations that have come before us. The idea is to come back to stillness and quiet to understand that at a cellular level, that's where the answers live.

Jody Carrington [00:13:48]:

And we've never been farther from it than we are in this moment. Not because I think the likes of Amazon, or Uber, or Steve Jobs are trying to destroy humans, I think it is just such a sexy, lucrative business that there's no other like that. That's what's taking over, right? Not an evil attempt to destroy humanity. I just think business is business. And they're like, look at this. Huh? And when the hardest thing you will ever do is look at each other, this. It's never been easier to monetize it..

Christopher [00:14:20]:

Well, that's the thing. Yeah. Its economy seems to be superseding humanity.

Jody Carrington [00:14:25]:

Always, in the history of the free world, that has remained true. Right? Like if I take you back to any major war, any major crucifixion, it's always been about how, what is the financial, how do we look after our people to the best of the financial gain so that we can give the riches to the rich or our community the best or our tribe the better. And this is just what's happening again, right? Like, there's the sentiment again and again. The rich get richer in this place because when you start to monetize things that are so that people just desperately feel as though they need. Right.

Jody Carrington [00:15:00]:

The beauty industry in particular. There was this data yesterday, I was reading John High talks about this. He wrote The Anxious Generation. He said there's this like astronomically horrific data where teenage girls will, if they delete six or seven selfies of themselves, up will pop a beauty ad. So it's triggered to know that I'm not liking how I look in this moment. So, I mean, I have a 12-year-old daughter. The Sephora conversations are relentless. Okay? And that's how I maintain a relationship.

Jody Carrington [00:15:31]:

I'm like, you bet. Let's go to Sephora. And I'm in, like, I'm encouraging. She got more Soul de Janeiro than your average, you know. So I'm just trying to stay connected to her. And she says Sol de Janeiro is the way to her heart. So I'm all in. And I'm perpetuating the idea that a 12-year-old needs 15,000 bottles of body spray.

Jody Carrington [00:15:55]:

It's exhausting. What do we do? Right?

Heather [00:15:58]:

I love what you're saying for the concept of that new book because, I mean, we're almost relentlessly told, you know, self-affirmations, you know, I would say one of the most common self-affirmations is I am enough. You know, and it's again, it's ad nauseam. And so to flip it all on its head to make sure that it's like, okay, can we just understand that both sides of that I am enough or I'm not enough is ego? So, like, let's just cut that up for a second.

Jody Carrington [00:16:31]:

I'm in. And so like, we're, so we're shopping us right now with our literary agent in the US, who I just freaking adore. And you know, it's like we can say, so Glennon and Abby have long talked about, like, you can do hard things, but the question is like, do you fucking have to all the time? And like, then the idea is like, Let Them. Mel, who I adore, right? Let them. Let them. Are you fucking kidding me? No, you do not let them. No, thank you. There is a time.

Jody Carrington [00:16:56]:

And the impostor phenomenon, I also think, really needs to be challenged because we're like, you know, we've spent so much time coding the EO around the fact that, no, it's just an impostor. Like you are supposed to be here. No, you're not. Sometimes you should feel like you're out of your lane when you're at the beginning of your career; when you start anything new, you shouldn't be good at this. And as a leader today, building a business right now, nobody's got a script for this. So, should you feel like an impostor? Yes. Because you are. So you're not that good.

Jody Carrington [00:17:27]:

Like our job is to get in there and just do the next best, right, kind thing. And so, when you consider that we need a reckoning for the brilliant, for the broken, for the bone tired, now is the time that we need to do that. And we need to do that inthe  community.

Heather [00:17:42]:

I think that also leads into something you're very passionate about. Rage. That is beneath the burnout for many people. And I'm just going to dive in for women-identified people, suppressed rage. That burnout isn't always about being too busy, but about feeling alone. And not being able to vocalize when you're angry about something, not being able to be real with your emotions. And one of the things Christopher said at one point, just owning your right to be right, that so many women will just let it be someone else's idea, or you got my order wrong.

Heather [00:18:22]:

But it's okay. I'm just gonna eat what you brought me. And that, over time, builds up into a very deep anger, into a rage. So, would love to hear your thoughts on rage, burnout, and boundary repair.

Jody Carrington [00:18:37]:

Holy Christ. So, just a small question.

Jody Carrington [00:18:40]:

That's all right.

Heather [00:18:41]:

Just like in a nutshell about you connected.

Jody Carrington [00:18:44]:

If you could just put all those things together. So what came to mind is that I worked with kids, and a kid once taught me this. She's 12, and she said, don't you know that Mad is just Sad's bodyguard?

Christopher [00:18:55]:

Wow.

Jody Carrington [00:18:56]:

I love it. Yeah. She took my breath away. And I've never met a MAD that wasn't SAD.

Jody Carrington [00:19:04]:

And burnout is not a function of the work you do or how much you have on your plate. There are people doing our work, people are fighting for feminine understandings and ideals, and the equality of humans around this planet right now in far worse circumstances than we can even contemplate. Okay. So burnout isn't a function of the work we do. It is a function of your ability, or lack thereof, to rest, to refuel, to have community. And oftentimes, people who only have each other, that's all that they have, is community.

Jody Carrington [00:19:38]:

In fact, the highest rate of suicide in this country is among middle-aged white men, okay. Those that are identified as the most privileged among us, if you are white, straight, able-bodied, and you have a penis, irrefutably, you will have access to the most resources. Okay? What you do with them is, you know, I can go toe to toe with anybody who wants to talk about that any day. You have access, though that exact same cohort, more than anybody else on this globe, is killing themselves at higher rates. Why? And the question often is the answer, I'll tell you the answer real quick. It's because we've taught boys, particularly white men, that boys don't cry. Anxiety and depression will not kill you. Not talking about it might. As a settler in this country, as a white woman, I have never walked into a room and looked for other white people to figure out whether I'm going to be safe or not. People of color, many marginalized humans, are looking for connection even in rooms that they walk into.

Jody Carrington [00:20:35]:

That is not an experience, particularly for white men. They are looking for competition. So when that comes to the protection of the heart, the data would suggest that those who seem to be the most privileged among us have access but the least access to connected communities. That's what keeps us alive, and that's what we don't have access to now. Right? So when you're a visible minority and you can pick somebody who, like, you know, looks like you do, we have the same cultural traditions, immediately you're like, oh, my God, Jim, where are you from? Like, you have this connection. It's like, I mean, and I can maybe get this a little bit like if I'm touring in a foreign land and I see another Canadian flag, it's that same, like you don't even know if they're a psychopathic serial killer, but you don't because you have that community or that connection or at least that landing point, right? And so that's one of the conversations about why this becomes such an interesting conversation. Because anxiety, and depression will not kill you. They are just emotions, but not talking about it might.

Jody Carrington [00:21:34]:

And women historically are much more equipped with an emotional language. Those who identify as women are much more equipped with an emotional language. Not because. And listen, I have two sons and a daughter. This isn't about what you're born with. All of us have the same emotional capacity, but we are far better able, with those who identify as women or our daughters, to provide an emotional language, using emotional words, giving toys that evoke emotions, and practicing nurturing babies, dolls, and feeding. Yeah. Versus, like, I'm gonna shoot you with my hockey stick.

Jody Carrington [00:22:10]:

And so we are. It's in our bones. And I mean, I've written books about it, and still, I very much watch myself and my partner with our boys versus our girls. I see a big difference. Right? And I mean, I coach minor hockey in this little town.

Jody Carrington [00:22:28]:

I heard this yesterday. Boys, you're skating like a girl.

Jody Carrington [00:22:32]:

And so we think we're better at it, and we're not. So this idea of an emotional language, community, and connection, I really think, needs to be led by women, those who identify as women. Not because we're any better or any worse, but because we have this one thing that the universe is going to need more than anything in this next generation, and that's the capacity to create community and connection.

Christopher [00:22:55]:

That is so profound. I mean, Heather and I talk about these things all the time. What I don't get is this giving permission. Boys don't feel they have permission to emote. How do we get them to understand they already have this capacity? How do we give them permission to do that?

Jody Carrington [00:23:18]:

We need people like you in positions to show them. So this podcast is a place. You can't tell anybody how to feel. You have to show them. You can't tell anybody how to be anti-racist or inclusive or kind; you have to show them. You have to create spaces where they watch you making it happen.

Jody Carrington [00:23:40]:

So as a human of color, of a woman who can, you know, sort of blow a podcast platform, the two of you together in this, in this crazy space where you're blowing up the world, people are listening. Yes, but they're watching. How do you do it? You did this. How do you navigate this? What are you, what are the conversations you're talking about? So you know, I say this all the time. You know, people ask me as a woman, like, oh, my God, like, are you, you're always on the road. Are you ever worried that you're screw up your kids? Like, is this hard on your marriage? Yes, yes, and yes, and all the things. But I can't tell my kids how to be great. I have to show them. Right?

Jody Carrington [00:24:16]:

So we're in this first generation of women in particular, where roles have never been so unclear. If you were born with a vagina a couple of generations ago, you very much knew exactly your plan, whether you wanted it or not. Right? Okay, if you want to get a little silly, you might go to school for a year or two, but other than that, you're going to get back home and start making buns and having babies. Okay, now there is so much comfort in that in some ways, because you don't have to think. This is the expectation: zero freedom, but lots of clarity.

Jody Carrington [00:24:50]:

Now we're flipping that on its head, which comes with multiple freedoms but no role clarity, which we're not really sure what to do with that because as a woman, am I supposed to, okay, all right. So I can do all of these things, but also like, oh, you didn't come to the meeting. Oh, and my children are equally as bad. Like this morning, I just had a knockdown shootout with my daughter. She's like, what, you're not coming to my dance on Friday? Do you know every mom is going to be at the dance on Friday? I was like, listen, I'm fairly sure every. I'm going to be in Chicago talking to a bunch of teachers about changing the world. Okay? So you could, if you would like me to talk to people about.

Jody Carrington [00:25:28]:

But the expectation of can you do it all is certainly on us, and having conversations like you do every day on it here about this is supposed to feel hard. This is supposed to. There's going to be pushback. And it doesn't mean we're doing it wrong.

Christopher [00:25:43]:

I want to ask you this. Of all the things you could have done with your life, how did you end up trying to save the world? That's pretty much is what you're doing. Where did that come from?

Jody Carrington [00:25:54]:

Oh, my God. I don't know if that's true. I think that the older I get, as I might have told you, I'm 50 now. I'm so interested in the universe. I'm so interested in soul contracts. I'm so interested in this being so much bigger than the rest of us.

Jody Carrington [00:26:12]:

And I, in this lifetime, however that happened, I'm so privileged. I started on third base, white, straight, able-bodied. I had every opportunity to be surrounded by regulated people. And when I reflect on that in my moments of gratitude, the only thing that comes to me is I better fucking use it. So that's the motivation all the time, too.

Jody Carrington [00:26:38]:

To be in a room of oil field workers or a bunch of men that I know nobody's ever told them, they're amazing. With hockey coaches, people who have the capacity to not only change lives, but to save it. And if I can use my position, my privilege to have conversations that will evoke change and emotion, put me in this. I mean, using me really is what I think about all the time. And it's been just such a beautiful journey to be able to meet the humans that I have who've taught me the most. And it's always the lessons have always come, you know, on a locked psychiatric in-patient unit or in the back of a Legion Hall in Drumheller, when some, you know, Indigenous woman is saying to me, like, just a second, that is not how you say the name of this treaty territory. And I was like, oh, like, you know, like, those are where the greatest lessons of all time have come. And so, like, being able to know that we're wired for connection, and the number of people I get to hug in a year.

Jody Carrington [00:27:38]:

So, I'm on 100 stages a year for the last four years, globally now. And it is the greatest gift of my life to bear witness to other people's stories, to be invited into their community. I mean, as a psychologist, this was great. One on one, you know, at a caseload, you know, you can see however many people you can in a year. That was great. This is on a magnitude that I couldn't imagine. And, and it's, it's just such, it's just such an honor to be asked to come into an organization, into a community, into a, you know, Nipawin Saskatchewan fundraiser for the women's YWCA, you know, and then you show up and they got like all the Ukrainian women making you snacks and somebody knitted you a dishcloth. Like, they feel like, is it hard to be away from your kids? No running at Ramada with Marty drinking wine and taking all gift baskets and knitted dish cloths.

Jody Carrington [00:28:36]:

Like, this is the best job that's ever happened, you know, and so when you love your shit, when you love your work this much, I think it just, it just, the universe just keeps allowing you to do great stuff if that's, that's, if that's the intention behind it.

Heather [00:28:52]:

Well, speaking of that, for our listeners who are seeing some of the clips, they'll see Unlonely with Dr. Jody behind you. Can you tell us a little bit about your podcast?

Jody Carrington [00:29:03]:

Oh, yes, I can.

Jody Carrington [00:29:07]:

So this is season two. And listen, I am not nearly as savvy in this podcast game as you are.  I speak a lot. I write. We're in this, the fourth book now. And I've always been amazed at people who can handle, who can do podcasts well, because I think it's a platform where you can have some of the most incredible opportunities and provide a stage for people to raise their voices. And so of all the people that we sort of got to meet as we started doing these things, I was like, wouldn't it be cool if we could create this place where everybody comes from somewhere and really demonstrate that? So that was the first season, and then the second season, we decided to call in UnLonely because we really moved it more into having experts have a conversation around why, as this human race, we need to do better at simply looking and seeing. And it's just that gentle reminder every couple of weeks that it's like you have everything you need to not only change the world, but save it.

Jody Carrington [00:29:59]:

All I need is you. That's it. Full stop. So it's been. It's been an honor to do this season, and I think we're gonna, you know, we're gonna continue, I think, in the next season. I don't do nearly as many episodes as you, but it's great. We're loving it.

Heather [00:30:11]:

Well, it's been such a pleasure to have you on the show. We've been so looking forward to having you. And can you tell us about some of your books? Like, Feeling Seen, Kids These Days, and Teachers These Days. Where can people find more about you and find more about your books?

Jody Carrington [00:30:27]:

Listen, I would love your community to be a part of ours. We are on social media, Jody Carrington.com is where everything lands. And yeah, I mean, Kids These Days came out of my work with teachers and parents who are just like, have the holiest work on the planet and feel like we're all screwing it up. And I often say this, you know, like, I mean, that book is frigging good. Like, every time I read it, I'm like, this is so good. And then if you ever watch me with my own personal children, you wouldn't buy the book because I wrote that thing when I was regulated, okay? And this is just the point for most of us parents is that we are so good, our kids are so lucky. But in the really hard moments, we forget that. And so it's not our ability, it's our access to it. And so that was the impetus for kids. And then Teachers really came out of it, being sort of similar to it, just really wanting to have a resource for teachers who spend more waking hours with our children than we do.  Primary caregivers do the run of a week. And we really need to care for them deeper. I think in this next generation. And then Feeling Seen was really just a call to action for all of us who I think can change the world.

Jody Carrington [00:31:31]:

And the next one is that we're pitching in the fall is You're Not That Good. So it's going to be the permission for all of us to just get back in the game.

Christopher [00:31:40]:

The minute that we got on together here, I noticed your very beautiful frilly dress or top, and I mentioned that it was very feminine. And one of the questions we love to ask our guests and get their perspective on is, from your perspective, what is feminine to you?

Jody Carrington [00:32:00]:

Oh, I love that question. And I saw that in the notes, and I was like, I hope we ran out of time because I grapple with that so much. And I think as I sort of evolve in this place of understanding the universe, the divine feminine energy is really just this sense to me. The feminine is really, when I think about it, the Mother Earth. The safety-ness that can bring, call home, the sense of whatever you have to bring. That's what a true feminine means to me, it's that it really is. And all of us have the capacity, all of us have the ability. I watch my husband do that with my children. I mean, I miss that the most in my father. It is the most, I think, genuinely genuine creation of safety.

Christopher [00:32:47]:

We love asking that question because we have been asking it for how many years now and we are yet to hear an exact repetition of an answer.

Jody Carrington [00:32:58]:

Oh, I love that it is such.

Christopher [00:33:00]:

A broad personal question. We just love getting responses to how people see and how women view and live that word. Love that. Thank you.

Jody Carrington [00:33:12]:

Yeah, thank you. I love it. I love it.

Heather [00:33:14]:

Well, in talking to you, you can see, Dr. Jody, that you are just like vibrant and living with your purpose, and it's such a pleasure to see. So, thank you so much for joining us.

Jody Carrington [00:33:27]:

Thank you, too. It was such an honor. Thank you.

Christopher [00:33:30]:

And we would have waited another 10 years to talk to you, but today, today is a good day. So, thank you. And you have been listening to...

Heather [00:33:42]:

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